Mazda 6 Forums UK
General Category => Models/Trim => 2nd Generation (2007 - present) => Topic started by: maddog655 on July 01, 2012, 08:42:37 pm
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I can't believe that the new Mazda 6 is coming out in saloon model only.
No hatchback available. Is Mazda crazy?
I have bought my last 2 Mazda 6's because of the flexibilty and other factors that the hatchback gives you, suicide I believe by Mazda.
New BMW instead now.
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That's a real bummer! I was thinking of changing my then 3 year old model for a new one but certainly not if it's just a saloon. I will probably instead extend the warranty on my present car for a year or so and then look at the new Mondeo.
Very disappointing.
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I can't believe that the new Mazda 6 is coming out in saloon model only.
No hatchback available. Is Mazda crazy?
I have bought my last 2 Mazda 6's because of the flexibilty and other factors that the hatchback gives you, suicide I believe by Mazda.
New BMW instead now.
Uk's a small market though, most places prefer saloons
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I can't believe that the new Mazda 6 is coming out in saloon model only.
No hatchback available. Is Mazda crazy?
I have bought my last 2 Mazda 6's because of the flexibilty and other factors that the hatchback gives you, suicide I believe by Mazda.
New BMW instead now.
Uk's a small market though, most places prefer saloons
Bought mine for same reason, hatchback covers all the angles. .! Hope they have a change of heart.!
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My previous car was a Toyota Avensis and when their new model came out it was Saloon only, so thats why I swapped to Mazda when the time came. The alternatives to Ford and Vauxhall are becoming less and less.
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I think you'll find that it's some mislead journalist rather than an official Mazda communication. Mazda are trying to break into the UK fleet market in a big way. When they facelifted the current 6 they dropped the saloon because of slow sales. There is absolutely no way that they are going to not have a hatchback for the new 6.
New BMW instead now.
I think you'll find the BMW isn't a hatchback either :D
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Car magazine are also reporting no hatchback.
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Secret-new-cars/Search-Results/Spyshots/Mazda-6-2013--the-full-scoop-on-new-family-car/
I need a hatchback but don't want an estate so Mazda have lost a future sale here I'm afraid. Great shame as the new car looks very good.
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I do hope not. The saloon may look nicer than most other saloons, but I need the boot space practicality (albeit less than I used to). I also like the option to wipe the rear windscreen so that I have a clear view behind - not an option with saloons! I've tried the MK4 Mondeo and won't be going back. Probably returning to Vauxhall when the time comes for a change.
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I have to agree with you all that it is a really nice looking car but the lack of a hatchback option would seem to be an oversight on Mazda's part.
As an estate owner I am also slightly concerned that practicality the new estate has been compromised in the pursuit on aerodynamics/looks. Hopefully I am wrong but the the back end of the new car looks very low which would suggest that the rear access is limited, something which I find excellent on both 1st and 2nd generation 6's. If there was ever an example of a manufacturer getting this wrong it is on the Insignia estate, a good looking car in my opinion but utterly useless as an estate, the boot is just too narrow and low and with an enormous rear bumper to lift everything over as well, hopeless!
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Same for me. No hatchback = no 6.
I might be tempted by a CX-5 instead, but the other alternative may be one of the new VAG cars with cylinder deactivation. I don't really need a diesel for my day to day running, but I do some really long runs at weekends every 2-3 months. If there's sufficient rear leg room in the new Seat Toledo and they top the range out with a 1.4 litre, 160bhp engine with cylinder deactivation I could be really tempted (especially since it looks like it will be substantially cheaper than the new 6).
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The estate looks fantastic and would certainly be on my radar next year when my current 6 is due to renewal (if its on our co car list, its getting worse every year).
Not fussed about a saloon/hatchback, never liked them anyway.
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Hmmmm - if the 2013 model faithfully follows the Takeri's shape, then I think it'll split opinion like Marmite...
I love the rear styling, the front light cluster and spolier/diffuser. The grille spoils the clean lines, though.
I like the "coupe-saloon" silhouette - but I do agree with others' comments about: "why no hatchback?"
I don't like the "over-fussy" crease-lines - particularly where the front wing blends to the front door.
I guess I'll have to wait until the '13 models hit the motoring press. Until then, I'll hang onto my '06 Sport...
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I'm biased...but I prefer the bulkhead of the saloon as I found it a little quieter than the hatch on the motorway. Plus for some strange reason its 40kg lighter...leaves me plenty of room for expansion ;)
(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv335/EoinM/da480065.jpg)
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looks good! what tint is on the windows?
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I'm biased...but I prefer the bulkhead of the saloon as I found it a little quieter than the hatch on the motorway. Plus for some strange reason its 40kg lighter...leaves me plenty of room for expansion ;)
(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv335/EoinM/da480065.jpg)
I wonder about the 40kg too, I can imagine maybe 10-20kg for the hatchback tailgate mechanism/re-inforcements
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looks good! what tint is on the windows?
Just the standard factory tint. Don't know the % off hand - looks darker in the picture than it is in reality.
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I'm biased...but I prefer the bulkhead of the saloon as I found it a little quieter than the hatch on the motorway. Plus for some strange reason its 40kg lighter...leaves me plenty of room for expansion ;)
I wonder about the 40kg too, I can imagine maybe 10-20kg for the hatchback tailgate mechanism/re-inforcements
I'm curious as to this too - it does seem a lot. Although the hatch door must be very happy - the saloons is very light - makes a horrid tinny noise when you close it.
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Very disappointing and stupidly narrow view by Mazda. Was really expecting to upgrade in 3 to 4 years time to latest 6... but no hatchback = no future purchase from me.
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Between the no hatchback and dpf issues I'm unlikely to be replacing my 6 with another. The new skyactiv-d engine has really good reviews, but with the way my oil level is going up at the moment I'm 99.9% certain my next car will be petrol and the skyactiv-g seems to have been less well received and doesn't really seem to be the revolutionary step forward that the diesel is. Other manufacturers seem to be doing a much better job with improving the efficiency and refinement of petrol engines (for example, the new A3 1.4 with cylinder deactivation claims 140hp and 60mpg). I'm hoping for similar technology in slightly more powerful engines before I replace my car (looking forward to more details of the new Seat Leon at the Paris motor show...).
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If the saloon is so important then why didn't they facelift it back in 2010 instead of dropping it ?
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I think the company want to move upmarket into Audi/BMW territory.
Looking at the photos of the new estate it has a sloping back rather like a BMW 'touring' so maybe they think that people will see that as an alternative to a hatchback and that those who don't will go for a MX5. Still a shame though, I'm sure it's just a marketing thing rather than a technical issue.
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Looking at the released pics of the new 6 estate it will certainly be on my list when my 6 Sport 2.2 goes back next Sept. Will have to start looking in about 6 months or so. Hopefully the new one will be as well specced as the last one.
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http://www.themhshow.com/mazda-6-start-production-now
I will have mine with extra flowery garlands please ;-)
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I think the company want to move upmarket into Audi/BMW territory.
Yes, but they have now realised the need for a hatchback as part of their range. Look at the BMW 3GT and 5GT and the Audi A5 and A7. If Mazda are seeing 'premium' as a way to hike prices that's going to be another reason for them going off my short list...
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They cannot hike the prices too much as this will put off the fleet buyers that they are aiming for.
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They cannot hike the prices too much as this will put off the fleet buyers that they are aiming for.
So will canning the hatchback, but that doesn't seem to be a problem to them...
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If the saloon is so important then why didn't they facelift it back in 2010 instead of dropping it ?
I think they did facelift it, just didn't come to the UK
- I think UK are the exception in liking hatchbacks, everywhere else loves saloons
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Never seen the appeal in a saloon. I had a 4dr Beemer 3 series and it was the most impractical car I've ever had. Hopeless.
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Never seen the appeal in a saloon. I had a 4dr Beemer 3 series and it was the most impractical car I've ever had. Hopeless.
Depends if you want practicality or style (http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/willpower128/Emos/smiley_sedans.gif)
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I think estates now look better than their saloon brothers.
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First I've heard of no hachback option. If it's true then no more Mazada 6 for me. Just like everyone else making a reply it appears Mazda want to press the 'self destruct button'. Long live the hatchback!!
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I've got the saloon and the boot opening is still pretty big, and the seats fold down flat when required, so no neccesity for the hatchback in my opinion
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That's true, but the saloons a bit of a minger ;)
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I've got the saloon and the boot opening is still pretty big, and the seats fold down flat when required, so no neccesity for the hatchback in my opinion
That depends very much on what you are carrying. I cart model boats about and they need to go in vertically in their boxes, a saloon would be useless for that. Also long lengths of wood that need to be kept straight won't fit in a saloon. A couple of weeks ago I had two chairs and a coffee table in the back of my hatchback - saloon, no chance!
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that would be a problem in the saloon (though I have got two adult mountain bikes in there ok) - luckily the back seats of my wife's A2 can be removed completely turning it into a minivan for those type of needs !
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That looks like the standard black tint on the rear glass from the B-pillars rearwards - same as my 2011 Sport estate 8)
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What - no Hatchback? Oh well - looks like this Mazda 6 will be my last one then. Back to Vauxhall.....
Seems Mazda are following Honda & VW and moving into the middle ground between Audi / BMW / Merc and the "sales rep fleet" territory of the Mondeo & the Insignia..
Shame.
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Just seen the official pictures on What Car.com. Apart from the front end, the car looks very similar to the current model, not the stunning concept car as hoped. Front end also looks like the new Mondeo due next year.
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Just seen the official pictures on What Car.com. Apart from the front end, the car looks very similar to the current model, not the stunning concept car as hoped. Front end also looks like the new Mondeo due next year.
It's strange how the adventurous styling has been toned down to such a degree that it almost looks like a facelift rather than a completely new model, especially after the concept car. I disagree with your Mondeo comment though - it looks nothing like it! The new Mondeo face looks almost Aston-Martinesque which is not an accusation you could make of the new 6.
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The saloon looks more like the Takeri concept, the estate seems a bit toned down by comparison.
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http://www.autoblog.com/2012/08/06/2014-mazda6-wagon-rolls-up-on-video/
Looks pretty good :)
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So as a replacement Mazda 6 is off my, and lots of other hitherto happy Mazda 6 hatchback owners, list now there wont be a hatchback, what are the alternatives? Aside from the Mondeo & Insignia is anybody else doing a similair sized hatchback for under £25k list price?
Thoughts....
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I'm looking at the new Golf - a bit smaller but it seems to have its points. Might look at the 6 Estate if it is more of a 'fastback' than a wagon.
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Loads of pics of the new estate online now. It looks very similar to the old one from the B pillar back.
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http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/2013-mazda-6-estate-unveiled/263802
Its been officially launched now. The 2.2 Sports the one for me I think :-)
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http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2012/09/all-new-mazda6-sedan-and-wagon-arrives.html
More info inc prices.
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It looks really nice doesn't it, I looked through the 59 photo's and its really pleasing to see a quality interior from Mazda at last, looks really nice, I wonder if they will bring out an MPS version? always sorry they didn't with the gen 2 model,
Andy
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It looks great and hopefully the interior will be a big improvement over the last gen one. If its anything like the CX5 interior then its a big step up but still just below the three German manufacturers.
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The absence of a hatchback and the fact that my next car will be petrol (since my oil level keeps rising...) means that the 6 is a non-starter for me, unless they backtrack and introduce a hatchback in the next couple of years. At the moment I've got my eye on the new Seat Leon. OK, it's a bit smaller than the 6, but the 6 is really a little larger than I need. The 1.4 FR is under £20K, does nearly 58 mpg (in a petrol!) and has the option of full LED headlights.
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IMHO - Much better looking as an estate than the saloon. I don't have anything against the saloon, and I'm sure it's better handling as the shell will be stiffer than an equivilent hatchback, but it just looks less attractive in my view.
What concerns me more is the pricing - 175PS Tourer Sport Nav Auto with Paint, Safety and Auto Cruise - £30k! That seems quite a hike for the brand, given I got a brand new 185PS Sport in March 2012 for £19k.
I know it seems a lot better built, but that seems a stretch into 'compact exec' territory. Hopefully someone will discount it to sensible money after the initial fuss has died down.
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It does seem a touch pricey for a Mazda and its anything but "compact". I see it being a big hit with the fleet people, fingers crossed its on my list when I come to choose in 6 months time.
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Well unless Mazda have second thoughts and bring out a hatch, the only large family hatchbacks on the UK market would appear to me to be the Mondeo, Insignia and Skoda Octavia - might be the latter for me when my much loved Mazda 6 hatch is due for replacement...
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I dont think they are likely to chance their mind any time soon. I have had an Octavia, wouldn't particularly want another one.
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Review of the new Mazda 6 diesel and Petrol models in Daily Telegraph Honest John Motoring part today,
interesting read, in the article it mentions No hatchback is available as according to Mazda this is not important to the buyers.! ( Big mistake for UK market) The article claims car badly set up for UK roads,
and only rate it as 3 stars from 5.
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To be honest, I don't think they are really targeting the UK market, hence no hatchback. I had a look at the new tourer but have decided to keep my 3 year old TS2 163 diesel hatchback which has only done 27k for another year and am purchasing the Mazda extended warranty.
So far(!) nothing at all has gone wrong with it, not even a bulb change and I get around 47mpg overall. The front tyres (Bridgestone Potenzas) will need replacing in the next month or so but the rears are only half worn and the car sailed through the MOT with no problems. The 3rd year service just required oil and air filter changes etc. It has all the bells and whistles I need including a 6CD player so it seems silly to change it at this stage.