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Title: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: maddog655 on July 01, 2012, 08:42:37 pm
 I can't believe that the new Mazda 6 is coming out in saloon model only.

No hatchback available. Is Mazda crazy?

 I have bought my last 2 Mazda 6's because of the flexibilty and other factors that the hatchback gives you, suicide I believe by Mazda.

New BMW instead now.
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: ColinB on July 01, 2012, 09:40:04 pm
That's a real bummer! I was thinking of changing my then 3 year old model for a new one but certainly not if it's just a saloon. I will probably instead extend the warranty on my present car for a year or so and then look at the new Mondeo.

Very disappointing.
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: underphil on July 02, 2012, 10:06:11 am
I can't believe that the new Mazda 6 is coming out in saloon model only.

No hatchback available. Is Mazda crazy?

 I have bought my last 2 Mazda 6's because of the flexibilty and other factors that the hatchback gives you, suicide I believe by Mazda.

New BMW instead now.

Uk's a small market though, most places prefer saloons
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: V 249 on July 02, 2012, 10:55:11 am
I can't believe that the new Mazda 6 is coming out in saloon model only.

No hatchback available. Is Mazda crazy?

 I have bought my last 2 Mazda 6's because of the flexibilty and other factors that the hatchback gives you, suicide I believe by Mazda.

New BMW instead now.

Uk's a small market though, most places prefer saloons


Bought mine for same reason, hatchback covers all the angles. .! Hope they have a change of heart.!
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: saddler5 on July 02, 2012, 12:12:50 pm
My previous car was a Toyota Avensis and when their new model came out it was Saloon only, so thats why I swapped to Mazda when the time came. The alternatives to Ford and Vauxhall are becoming less and less.
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: Little John on July 02, 2012, 01:06:58 pm
I think you'll find that it's some mislead journalist rather than an official Mazda communication.  Mazda are trying to break into the UK fleet market in a big way.  When they facelifted the current 6 they dropped the saloon because of slow sales.  There is absolutely no way that they are going to not have a hatchback for the new 6.

New BMW instead now.
I think you'll find the BMW isn't a hatchback either :D
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: ColinB on July 02, 2012, 04:00:49 pm
Car magazine are also reporting no hatchback.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Secret-new-cars/Search-Results/Spyshots/Mazda-6-2013--the-full-scoop-on-new-family-car/
 
I need a hatchback but don't want an estate so Mazda have lost a future sale here I'm afraid. Great shame as the new car looks very good.
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: Steve_c on July 02, 2012, 05:49:25 pm
I do hope not.  The saloon may look nicer than most other saloons, but I need the boot space practicality (albeit less than I used to). I also like the option to wipe the rear windscreen so that I have a clear view behind - not an option with saloons!  I've tried the MK4 Mondeo and won't be going back.  Probably returning to Vauxhall when the time comes for a change.
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: Martin6 on July 03, 2012, 10:33:56 am
I have to agree with you all that it is a really nice looking car but the lack of a hatchback option would seem to be an oversight on Mazda's part.
As an estate owner I am also slightly concerned that practicality the new estate has been compromised in the pursuit on aerodynamics/looks. Hopefully I am wrong but the the back end of the new car looks very low which would suggest that the rear access is limited, something which I find excellent on both 1st and 2nd generation 6's. If there was ever an example of a manufacturer getting this wrong it is on the Insignia estate, a good looking car in my opinion but utterly useless as an estate, the boot is just too narrow and low and with an enormous rear bumper to lift everything over as well, hopeless!
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: Little John on July 03, 2012, 11:50:32 am
Same for me.  No hatchback = no 6.
I might be tempted by a CX-5 instead, but the other alternative may be one of the new VAG cars with cylinder deactivation.  I don't really need a diesel for my day to day running, but I do some really long runs at weekends every 2-3 months.  If there's sufficient rear leg room in the new Seat Toledo and they top the range out with a 1.4 litre, 160bhp engine with cylinder deactivation I could be really tempted (especially since it looks like it will be substantially cheaper than the new 6).
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: jbconno on July 04, 2012, 07:29:38 pm
The estate looks fantastic and would certainly be on my radar next year when my current 6 is due to renewal (if its on our co car list, its getting worse every year).

Not fussed about a saloon/hatchback, never liked them anyway.
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: SunChariot on July 04, 2012, 08:33:54 pm
Hmmmm - if the 2013 model faithfully follows the Takeri's shape, then I think it'll split opinion like Marmite...

I love the rear styling, the front light cluster and spolier/diffuser.  The grille spoils the clean lines, though.

I like the "coupe-saloon" silhouette - but I do agree with others' comments about: "why no hatchback?"

I don't like the "over-fussy" crease-lines - particularly where the front wing blends to the front door.

I guess I'll have to wait until the '13 models hit the motoring press.  Until then, I'll hang onto my '06 Sport...
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: MZR-CD on July 07, 2012, 08:44:28 pm
I'm biased...but I prefer the bulkhead of the saloon as I found it a little quieter than the hatch on the motorway. Plus for some strange reason its 40kg lighter...leaves me plenty of room for expansion ;)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv335/EoinM/da480065.jpg)
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: williamjpw on July 07, 2012, 11:12:09 pm
looks good! what tint is on the windows?
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: underphil on July 08, 2012, 09:46:14 am
I'm biased...but I prefer the bulkhead of the saloon as I found it a little quieter than the hatch on the motorway. Plus for some strange reason its 40kg lighter...leaves me plenty of room for expansion ;)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv335/EoinM/da480065.jpg)

I wonder about the 40kg too, I can imagine maybe 10-20kg for the hatchback tailgate mechanism/re-inforcements
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: MZR-CD on July 08, 2012, 03:28:58 pm
looks good! what tint is on the windows?

Just the standard factory tint. Don't know the % off hand - looks darker in the picture than it is in reality.
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: MZR-CD on July 08, 2012, 03:32:26 pm
I'm biased...but I prefer the bulkhead of the saloon as I found it a little quieter than the hatch on the motorway. Plus for some strange reason its 40kg lighter...leaves me plenty of room for expansion ;)


I wonder about the 40kg too, I can imagine maybe 10-20kg for the hatchback tailgate mechanism/re-inforcements

I'm curious as to this too - it does seem a lot. Although the hatch door must be very happy - the saloons is very light - makes a horrid tinny noise when you close it.
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: GT on August 15, 2012, 06:29:01 pm
Very disappointing and stupidly narrow view by Mazda. Was really expecting to upgrade in 3 to 4 years time to latest 6... but no hatchback = no future purchase from me.
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: Little John on August 20, 2012, 12:45:23 pm
Between the no hatchback and dpf issues I'm unlikely to be replacing my 6 with another.  The new skyactiv-d engine has really good reviews, but with the way my oil level is going up at the moment I'm 99.9% certain my next car will be petrol and the skyactiv-g seems to have been less well received and doesn't really seem to be the revolutionary step forward that the diesel is.  Other manufacturers seem to be doing a much better job with improving the efficiency and refinement of petrol engines (for example, the new A3 1.4 with cylinder deactivation claims 140hp and 60mpg).  I'm hoping for similar technology in slightly more powerful engines before I replace my car (looking forward to more details of the new Seat Leon at the Paris motor show...).
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: jbconno on August 20, 2012, 02:10:44 pm
If the saloon is so important then why didn't they facelift it back in 2010 instead of dropping it ?
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: ColinB on August 20, 2012, 05:06:11 pm
I think the company want to move upmarket into Audi/BMW territory.

Looking at the photos of the new estate it has a sloping back rather like a BMW 'touring' so maybe they think that people will see that as an alternative to a hatchback and that those who don't will go for a MX5. Still a shame though, I'm sure it's just a marketing thing rather than a technical issue.
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: jbconno on August 20, 2012, 05:18:39 pm
Looking at the released pics of the new 6 estate it will certainly be on my list when my 6 Sport 2.2 goes back next Sept. Will have to start looking in about 6 months or so. Hopefully the new one will be as well specced as the last one.
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: jbconno on August 20, 2012, 05:23:06 pm
http://www.themhshow.com/mazda-6-start-production-now

I will have mine with extra flowery garlands please ;-)
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: Little John on August 24, 2012, 12:27:28 pm
I think the company want to move upmarket into Audi/BMW territory.
Yes, but they have now realised the need for a hatchback as part of their range.  Look at the BMW 3GT and 5GT and the Audi A5 and A7.  If Mazda are seeing 'premium' as a way to hike prices that's going to be another reason for them going off my short list...
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: jbconno on August 24, 2012, 02:22:41 pm
They cannot hike the prices too much as this will put off the fleet buyers that they are aiming for.
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: Little John on August 27, 2012, 03:31:47 pm
They cannot hike the prices too much as this will put off the fleet buyers that they are aiming for.
So will canning the hatchback, but that doesn't seem to be a problem to them...
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: underphil on August 27, 2012, 06:58:36 pm
If the saloon is so important then why didn't they facelift it back in 2010 instead of dropping it ?

I think they did facelift it, just didn't come to the UK

- I think UK are the exception in liking hatchbacks, everywhere else loves saloons
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: jbconno on August 28, 2012, 09:00:14 am
Never seen the appeal in a saloon. I had a 4dr Beemer 3 series and it was the most impractical car I've ever had. Hopeless.
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: Willpower on August 28, 2012, 09:13:18 am
Never seen the appeal in a saloon. I had a 4dr Beemer 3 series and it was the most impractical car I've ever had. Hopeless.

Depends if you want practicality or style    (http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/willpower128/Emos/smiley_sedans.gif)
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: jbconno on August 28, 2012, 10:06:58 am
I think estates now look better than their saloon brothers.
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: harrymazda on August 28, 2012, 01:34:02 pm
First I've heard of no hachback option. If it's true then no more Mazada 6 for me. Just like everyone else making a reply it appears Mazda want to press the 'self destruct button'.  Long live the hatchback!!
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: underphil on August 29, 2012, 08:33:17 am
I've got the saloon and the boot opening is still pretty big, and the seats fold down flat when required, so no neccesity for the hatchback in my opinion
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: jbconno on August 29, 2012, 08:39:51 am
That's true, but the saloons a bit of a minger  ;)
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: ColinB on August 29, 2012, 10:51:42 am
Quote
I've got the saloon and the boot opening is still pretty big, and the seats fold down flat when required, so no neccesity for the hatchback in my opinion

That depends very much on what you are carrying. I cart model boats about and they need to go in vertically in their boxes, a saloon would be useless for that. Also long lengths of wood that need to be kept straight won't fit in a saloon. A couple of weeks ago I had two chairs and a coffee table in the back of my hatchback - saloon, no chance!
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: underphil on August 29, 2012, 03:05:18 pm
that would be a problem in the saloon (though I have got two adult mountain bikes in there ok) - luckily the back seats of my wife's A2 can be removed completely turning it into a minivan for those type of  needs !
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: SM25T on August 29, 2012, 03:28:34 pm
That looks like the standard black tint on the rear glass from the B-pillars rearwards - same as my 2011 Sport estate  8)
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: Freefaller on August 30, 2012, 07:47:37 am
What - no Hatchback? Oh well - looks like this Mazda 6 will be my last one then. Back to Vauxhall.....

Seems Mazda are following Honda & VW and moving into the middle ground between Audi / BMW / Merc and the "sales rep fleet" territory of the Mondeo & the Insignia..

Shame.
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: saddler5 on August 30, 2012, 11:55:43 am
Just seen the official pictures on What Car.com. Apart from the front end, the car looks very similar to the current model, not the stunning concept car as hoped. Front end also looks like the new Mondeo due next year.
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: Little John on August 30, 2012, 12:16:33 pm
Just seen the official pictures on What Car.com. Apart from the front end, the car looks very similar to the current model, not the stunning concept car as hoped. Front end also looks like the new Mondeo due next year.
It's strange how the adventurous styling has been toned down to such a degree that it almost looks like a facelift rather than a completely new model, especially after the concept car.  I disagree with your Mondeo comment though - it looks nothing like it!  The new Mondeo face looks almost Aston-Martinesque which is not an accusation you could make of the new 6.
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: jbconno on August 30, 2012, 04:47:22 pm
The saloon looks more like the Takeri concept, the estate seems a bit toned down by comparison.
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: jbconno on September 02, 2012, 05:29:12 pm
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/08/06/2014-mazda6-wagon-rolls-up-on-video/

Looks pretty good  :)
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: GT on September 24, 2012, 04:16:17 pm
So as a replacement Mazda 6 is off my, and lots of other hitherto happy Mazda 6 hatchback owners, list now there wont be a hatchback, what are the alternatives? Aside from the Mondeo & Insignia is anybody else doing a similair sized hatchback for under £25k list price?

Thoughts....
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: ColinB on September 24, 2012, 04:27:26 pm
I'm looking at the new Golf - a bit smaller but it seems to have its points. Might look at the 6 Estate if it is more of a 'fastback' than a wagon.
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: jbconno on September 24, 2012, 07:11:44 pm
Loads of pics of the new estate online now. It looks very similar to the old one from the B pillar back.
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: jbconno on September 28, 2012, 12:24:09 pm
http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/2013-mazda-6-estate-unveiled/263802

Its been officially launched now. The 2.2 Sports the one for me I think :-)
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: jbconno on September 29, 2012, 06:38:23 pm
http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2012/09/all-new-mazda6-sedan-and-wagon-arrives.html

More info inc prices.
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: andywolfie on September 29, 2012, 09:38:07 pm
It looks really nice doesn't it,  I looked through the 59 photo's and its really pleasing to see a quality interior from Mazda at last, looks really nice, I wonder if they will bring out an MPS version? always sorry they didn't with the gen 2 model,

Andy
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: jbconno on September 30, 2012, 09:59:43 am
It looks great and hopefully the interior will be a big improvement over the last gen one. If its anything like the CX5 interior then its a big step up but still just below the three German manufacturers.
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: Little John on October 01, 2012, 12:44:24 pm
The absence of a hatchback and the fact that my next car will be petrol (since my oil level keeps rising...) means that the 6 is a non-starter for me, unless they backtrack and introduce a hatchback in the next couple of years.  At the moment I've got my eye on the new Seat Leon.  OK, it's a bit smaller than the 6, but the 6 is really a little larger than I need.  The 1.4 FR is under £20K, does nearly 58 mpg (in a petrol!) and has the option of full LED headlights.
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: gfitches on October 01, 2012, 03:16:30 pm
IMHO - Much better looking as an estate than the saloon. I don't have anything against the saloon, and I'm sure it's better handling as the shell will be stiffer than an equivilent hatchback, but it just looks less attractive in my view.

What concerns me more is the pricing - 175PS Tourer Sport Nav Auto with Paint, Safety and Auto Cruise - £30k! That seems quite a hike for the brand, given I got a brand new 185PS Sport in March 2012 for £19k.

I know it seems a lot better built, but that seems a stretch into 'compact exec' territory. Hopefully someone will discount it to sensible money after the initial fuss has died down.
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: jbconno on October 13, 2012, 06:33:58 pm
It does seem a touch pricey for a Mazda and its anything but "compact". I see it being a big hit with the fleet people, fingers crossed its on my list when I come to choose in 6 months time. 
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: GT on November 01, 2012, 07:48:04 am
Well unless Mazda have second thoughts and bring out a hatch, the only large family hatchbacks on the UK market would appear to me to be the Mondeo, Insignia and Skoda Octavia - might be the latter for me when my much loved Mazda 6 hatch is due for replacement...
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: jbconno on November 01, 2012, 01:16:19 pm
I dont think they are likely to chance their mind any time soon. I have had an Octavia, wouldn't particularly want another one. 
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: V 249 on February 02, 2013, 11:14:18 am
Review of the new Mazda 6 diesel and Petrol models in Daily Telegraph Honest John Motoring part today,
interesting read, in the article it mentions No hatchback is available as according to Mazda this is not important to the buyers.! ( Big mistake for UK market) The article claims car badly set up for UK roads,
and only rate it as 3 stars from 5.
Title: Re: New Mazda 6 2013 - no hatchback available
Post by: ColinB on February 02, 2013, 09:59:33 pm
To be honest, I don't think they are really targeting the UK market, hence no hatchback. I had a look at the new tourer but have decided to keep my 3 year old TS2 163 diesel hatchback which has only done 27k for another year and am purchasing the Mazda extended warranty.

So far(!) nothing at all has gone wrong with it, not even a bulb change and I get around 47mpg overall. The front tyres (Bridgestone Potenzas) will need replacing in the next month or so but the rears are only half worn and the car sailed through the MOT with no problems. The 3rd year service just required oil and air filter changes etc. It has all the bells and whistles I need including a 6CD player so it seems silly to change it at this stage.